Comments on: They'd rather see you dead than defend yourself http://www.cmdrfenix.org/2010/01/15/theyd-rather-see-you-dead-than-defend-yourself/ Audentes Fortuna Juvat Wed, 30 Jun 2010 15:29:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Tim http://www.cmdrfenix.org/2010/01/15/theyd-rather-see-you-dead-than-defend-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-284 Tim Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:31:04 +0000 http://www.cmdrfenix.org/?p=461#comment-284 I agree that it doesn't make a lot of sense :-) The issue that I've mainly heard used in cases like this is the "it isn't a crime until they pull the trigger" argument, which in some states is a valid one. I don't neccessarily think that disarming people is the answer, but I do agree that answers need be found one way or another. I agree that it doesn’t make a lot of sense :-)

The issue that I’ve mainly heard used in cases like this is the “it isn’t a crime until they pull the trigger” argument, which in some states is a valid one. I don’t neccessarily think that disarming people is the answer, but I do agree that answers need be found one way or another.

]]> By: CmdrFenix http://www.cmdrfenix.org/2010/01/15/theyd-rather-see-you-dead-than-defend-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-283 CmdrFenix Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:13:20 +0000 http://www.cmdrfenix.org/?p=461#comment-283 I guess I look at it like this. It's already a crime to threaten people with firearms, shoot them with firearms, so why would anyone think that disarming people makes sense. I guess I look at it like this. It’s already a crime to threaten people with firearms, shoot them with firearms, so why would anyone think that disarming people makes sense.

]]> By: Tim http://www.cmdrfenix.org/2010/01/15/theyd-rather-see-you-dead-than-defend-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-282 Tim Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:54:49 +0000 http://www.cmdrfenix.org/?p=461#comment-282 Please explain how you plan to identify "everyone who isn’t causing anyone else any harm" and distinguish between those who -are- causing anyone else harm? You also face the slippery-slope of people (mostly on the conservative side) who want to use profiling/etc to pre-emptivly "tag" people who -might- cause other people harm, etc etc etc. My point is, it's not as black and white as you're making it sound. You and I agree on the "ends" of this type of issue, but the "means" are more complex then a lot of people realize :-( Please explain how you plan to identify “everyone who isn’t causing anyone else any harm” and distinguish between those who -are- causing anyone else harm? You also face the slippery-slope of people (mostly on the conservative side) who want to use profiling/etc to pre-emptivly “tag” people who -might- cause other people harm, etc etc etc.

My point is, it’s not as black and white as you’re making it sound. You and I agree on the “ends” of this type of issue, but the “means” are more complex then a lot of people realize :-(

]]> By: CmdrFenix http://www.cmdrfenix.org/2010/01/15/theyd-rather-see-you-dead-than-defend-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-281 CmdrFenix Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:09:23 +0000 http://www.cmdrfenix.org/?p=461#comment-281 How does that even relate to this? I love discourse, but don't understand your point here. He *knew* it was illegal to possess any weapons, but felt he had no choice. You have a system that didn't allow him to have any means of defense for his family. Would it have stopped the first attack? Maybe, but we'll never know. My problem here is a system that says, "loose the firearms and everyone will be safer, or call the police", but in the end can't guarantee their protection. Again, why not just leave everyone who isn't causing anyone else any harm alone. Here you have a guy who never committed any crime in his life except trying to protect his family. You may not agree with it, but that doesn't mean your feelings on the matter trump mine rights or his. How does that even relate to this? I love discourse, but don’t understand your point here.

He *knew* it was illegal to possess any weapons, but felt he had no choice. You have a system that didn’t allow him to have any means of defense for his family. Would it have stopped the first attack? Maybe, but we’ll never know.

My problem here is a system that says, “loose the firearms and everyone will be safer, or call the police”, but in the end can’t guarantee their protection. Again, why not just leave everyone who isn’t causing anyone else any harm alone. Here you have a guy who never committed any crime in his life except trying to protect his family. You may not agree with it, but that doesn’t mean your feelings on the matter trump mine rights or his.

]]> By: Tim http://www.cmdrfenix.org/2010/01/15/theyd-rather-see-you-dead-than-defend-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-280 Tim Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:53:19 +0000 http://www.cmdrfenix.org/?p=461#comment-280 I hear some guy got scammed once by not reading fine print. Perhaps we should send everyone to law school for free. I hear some guy got scammed once by not reading fine print. Perhaps we should send everyone to law school for free.

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