I think it was the Republican congress who, after 9/11 looked back at Clinton with a critical eye, but I am not aware of one instance GWB attacked the previous administration directly. For the record, I disagreed with the inquiry that was held against the administration and I’m disappointed the current administration at that time didn’t speak out against it, but still… I’m talking high level administration attacks.

The “lefties” from where I sit, jump the gun to solve these problems where as the “righties” take too long to solve the problem. I am saying BOTH sides are wrong and not that one is any better than the other.

As for “dodging “personal responsibility”. Come on…

‘It depends what your definition of ‘Sex’ is?”
- Bill Clinton

‘Bill is the greatest husband and father I know. No one is more faithful, true, and honest than he.’
- Hillary Clinton (Quoted 1998)

Well anyhow… nuff said there.

See as far as the minimum wage? I agree with that as it currently stands. That is where I differ from the Republican/conservative movement.

As for “You need to take “personal responsibility” for your debts”, I think people do need to take personal responsibility for their debts. Some problems with the current mortgage crisis was people getting into homes when they never should have with loans they *knew* they couldn’t afford in the long term. Yes some of the problem was mischievous lending practices, but I personally know several people who got homes and even they were banking on their ARM staying low for a bit longer. How many people spend on credit cards and then cry they can’t make the payments?

Do you think the gov’t should bail them out too? It all boils down to poor decision making…

“GWB Never blamed clinton” … dude, where’ve you been? They blamed clinton for 9/11 like a million times, saying “Oh waaaaa you didnt catch Osama back when we were crying wag-the-dog” and such. GWB’s administration -CONSTANTLY- blamed clinton for the prices of gas, lack of support from our allies abroad, and everything else that went wrong. The schrub administration’s first line of defense against basically anything is “well, this was created by clinton, we’re just dealing with it”, to say NOTHING of how often the non-bush-administration right-wing (fox news, rush, coulter, etc) passed the buck to clinton almost as a reflex… too bad they didn’t pass the buck to clinton for the awesome budget surplus and the first few years of a strong economy, eh?

It works like this:

Some shit happens.

Lefties try and figure out whats wrong and how to fix it. This usually involves, you know, actual work.

The righties dont like the idea of actual work, at least not for themselves, and find a reason why it’s someone else’s problem so they dont have to deal with it.

The lefties call BS and say “It’s everyones problem, lets just deal with it. Dont pass the buck.”

The righties attack the lefties for dodging “personal responsibility”, and still do nothing useful.

Repeat ad nauseam. The whole political idea of “personal responsibility” is just an excuse for people to clean up republican problems.

Example – the conservative “family value” of eliminating the minimum wage. You just need to take “personal responsibility” and work 4 jobs at $2/hour to pay the rent, after all what else are you going to do with your free time? What, you dont WANT to work 100 hours/week? You need to take “personal responsibility” for your debts and your -choice- to live somewhere.

I could give you a thousand more examples of how shifting their own “personal responsibility” onto other people is a central tenet of modern conservativism. It’s total scumbaggery.

…but why should they trust us?

Never said they should. Never said they should like us. But they are destabilizing the entire area after the Obama-messiah even went so far as to take them off the “state sponsors of terrorism” list. We make overtures to them, and this is what the world gets?

My point to all this is something will need to get done and soon. That regime is nukin futz, and regardless if they can hit our soil, they do have confirmed nuclear weapons.

I hope the people in Seoul can sleep easier.

Well DUH what did people expect?

I don’t know… we expect them to act in a civilized manner to the betterment of their own people. I don’t care if they get along with their neighbors except when they pick fights that could potentially draw our troops into another conflict. (i.e. South Korea or Japan) I am not saying we should be “World Police”. If a country wants to be communist… so be it.

As for “nothing is anyones fault” that isnt true at all.

Come on… tell me you aren’t that naive? The left excels at the blame game. Just look at the recent administration. GWB never blamed Clinton for previous problems. Clinton never blamed GHWB. But this current administration seems completely willing to play the blame game solely at the feet of the previous administration rather than coming up with REAL solutions to the problems.

My point to that statement wasn’t that just the conservatives do it, nor the lefties, or event the independents, but rather society as a whole seems accepting of the “blame game”.

I won’t defend the north korean regime, they’re … well … I dont have the words to describe their particular brand if idiocy, but in the interest of fairness where fairness is due, they are -not- the only party that constantly throws out treaties and previous agreeements.

Every single agreement north korea has signed with another country (or group of countries) with the exception of china and the former soviet union has been broken by the other party. Yeah we dont trust them, and shouldnt, but why should they trust us?

What I dont like is when people act shocked, shocked I tells ya, that north korea keeps having temper tantrums. Well DUH what did people expect?

As for “nothing is anyones fault” that isnt true at all. The modern conservative movement is absolutely expert at finding any possible link or excuse to PASS the blame to anyone but themselves. There’s PLENTY of fault – the poor, the unfortunate, the unlucky – all full of fault and guilt.